Charles Knoll and Caroline Weiss
Charles Knoll, John and Carolina’s first son, was born in Philadelphia on 8 August 1857. Like his father, he was a butcher. On 24 October 1882, both aged 25, he married Caroline Auguste Weiss at St. Michael’s and Zion German Lutheran Church in Philadelphia. The register enters her as “Weisz,” born at “Ochsenburg, Brakenheim, Wurttemberg.” The witnesses were her brother, Christian Weisz, and Christiana Reichert, her “half sister-in-law”.
Caroline was born at Ochsenburg, in Württemberg, on 23 February 1857 and came to America in 1876 or 1877. Her own family’s story is told in the Knoll and Weiss Families section, along with the family’s memory that she may have had some Jewish ancestry.
In the family she was always “Grandma Carrie,” and her way of making spaetzle (Spätzle), the small egg noodles of southwestern Germany, was understood to have come with her from Germany.
Charles and Caroline had eleven children, and six of them grew up.
| Child | Birth | Death | Married |
|---|---|---|---|
| John Edward | 1883 | 1883, aged one month; buried 24 August 1883 | |
| Mary Matilda | 24 June 1884, Pennsylvania | 28 January 1968, Philadelphia | George Washington Wesemann, 10 September 1907 |
| Lydia Pauline | 3 February 1886, Philadelphia | 6 March 1965, Philadelphia | Edward Henry Stopper, 1908; Howard Watson Richardson, 24 December 1919 |
| Benjamin Charles | August 1887, Pennsylvania | ||
| Frank Benjamin | 29 August 1889, Philadelphia | 5 March 1958, Wyndmoor, Springfield Township, Montgomery County, Pa. | Hazel I. Kutch, 1924 |
| Charles George | 1890 | 1890 | |
| Caroline (“Carrie”) | 11 December 1891, Pennsylvania | 21 December 1979 | probably Angus W. Law, Jr., 29 May 1912; probably Karl Philip Huf, August 1925; probably Frederick William Held, 1939 |
| Walter (“Wolly”) | 13 September 1893, Philadelphia | 4 April 1910, Philadelphia, aged 16 | |
| Charles Edward | 1894 | 1895 | |
| Frederick Charles | 3 December 1895, Philadelphia | July 1965 | Mary Anna Dous |
| Wilhelmina (“Minnie”) | probably 12 April 1898, Pennsylvania | 28 July 1992, San Bernardino, California | Elmer Creamer |
Their first child, John Edward, lived only a month and was buried in his grandfather John’s lot on 24 August 1883. Two more sons, Charles George and Charles Edward, died as babies. Benjamin Charles, born in August 1887, may also have died young: his parents gave the name Benjamin to another son two years later, and no death date is recorded for him.
In 1900, as one of his great-grandsons pictured the year for a family reunion in 2001, “Charles, age 42, and Carolyn, age 42, Knoll were most likely living in Philadelphia. They have 6 children. The oldest is Mary Matilda, age 16.”
By April 1910 the family lived at 3419 North Bodine Street. Walter, called “Wolly,” died there on 4 April, aged 16, of chronic nephritis, and was buried at Greenmount Cemetery on 6 April. His father gave the information for his certificate. The census taken that month still listed him, as a raveler in a cotton mill. Charles, 52, was a butcher at an abattoir and had been out of work for twenty-five weeks in 1909. Carrie, 18, was a weaver in a silk mill, Frank, 21, a paper hanger, and Fred, 15, a raveler in a cotton mill; Minnie was 12.
In January 1920 Charles, 62, owned the family’s home in the 33rd Ward. He worked as a finisher in a cloth mill, the only record that does not call him a butcher. Caroline, 62, was recorded as an alien. Frank, 28, and Frederick, 26, were single and at home, and Minnie, 21, lived there with her husband, Elmer Creamer, 21, and their daughter Esther, three months old.
Caroline died at home, 2436 North Marshall Street, on 4 June 1939, aged 82 years, 3 months and 12 days, of chronic nephritis, chronic myocarditis and senility. Her son Benjamin Knoll, of 317 W. Spencer Street, gave the information, and the certificate names her father only as “Weiss”. John F. Fluehr & Sons, 149 W. Susquehanna Avenue, held the funeral, with a viewing the evening before, and she was buried at Greenmount Cemetery on 7 June. Charles died in the same house on 2 February 1940, aged 82 years, 5 months and 25 days, of chronic nephritis and myocarditis, both dating from 1937. His son Fred, of 7421 Tabor Road, gave the information, and Fluehr’s again handled the funeral. He was buried on 5 February. Both lie at Greenmount in Section B, Lot 399, in a grave deeded to Charles, and Pastor Clark officiated at both funerals.
References
- Pennsylvania certificate of death, Charles Knoll, 2 February 1940, file no. 12512, family archive scan. Read the record
- St. Michael’s and Zion Lutheran Church marriage register entry, Charles Knoll and Caroline Auguste Weiss, 24 October 1882, family archive scan. Read the record
- Archion, Ochsenburg (Evangelische Kirche), Taufregister 1808–1892, Band 3 (churchRegister 83499): 1816 no. 11, the baptism of the twins Jacob Friederich and Johann Andreas Haidle; the baptisms of Johann Jacob Haidle, 1818, of Christiane Regine Haidle, 1820, of Katharina Haidle, 1826 no. 19, of Auguste Charlotte Haidle, 1829 no. 21, and of Johanna Juliana Haidle, 1832; of Johann Wilhelm Reichert, 1844 no. 12, Friedrich August Reichert, 1847 no. 2, Jakob Friedrich Reichert, 1848 no. 7, Auguste Katharine Reichert, 1850 no. 6, and Sophie Wilhelmine Reichert, 1851 no. 17; of Caroline Auguste Weiss, 1857 no. 5; of Carl Johann Friedrich Weiss, 1867, and Johanna Katharina Weiss, 1868; and of August Wilhelm Weiss, 1879. Read on the images.
- Census record, Charles Knoll household, Philadelphia, 1910, family archive transcript Read the record
- Cemetery lot ledger, Lot No. 102, Section Q, John Knoll, family archive scan. Read the record
- Find A Grave memorials, Wesemann/Knoll line (9 August 2026 research sweep)
- Ancestry.com, “Pennsylvania, U.S., Death Certificates, 1906-1972”: Walter Knoll (file 43213, 1910) and Lydia P. Richardson (certificate 031606-65, 1965). Read on the images.
- Find A Grave memorial 156032499, Lydia Pauline Knoll Richardson
- Pennsylvania certificate of death, Frank B. Knoll, 5 March 1958, file no. 27392, family archive scan. Read the record
- FamilySearch indexes: “United States, Census, 1870” (MZRG-ZKM), the John Knoll household; “Pennsylvania, Civil Marriages,” the Knoll marriages with Koenig, Gsell, Law, Huf, Held and Kutch; “Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, City Births” (QPZ6-GMGT); and the census indexes of 1880–1950. Index only.
- Find A Grave memorial 196982585, Carolina Augusta “Carrie” Knoll Held
- A family researcher, Reitter–Wesemann family reunion invitation letter, 3 May 2001, with the sample “Snapshot of the year 1900 for the Knolls & the Wesemanns,” family archive transcript.
- 1920 U.S. Federal Census, Philadelphia Ward 33, ED 1151, sheet 16A, Charles Knoll household, family archive scan. Read the record
- Pennsylvania certificate of death, Caroline Knoll, 4 June 1939, file no. 53218, family archive scan. Read the record
- Funeral record no. 47, Caroline Knoll, 1939, family archive scan. Read the record
- Funeral record no. 10, Charles Knoll, 1940, family archive scan. Read the record